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[gracie_musica]

I'm sure you've all heard about Amazon by now. And, to be honest, darling teachwriteslash puts it far better than I ever could.

Here's what I did:



They're not getting another dime out of me.

Comments

[blucougar.livejournal.com]

I'll certainly voice my displeasure to Amazon. Unfortunately, though, they are my only option for buying certain things - ie, John's books. I just can't afford the $65 plus dollars that I'd have to pay locally, not to mention the wait for the items to be stocked in the first place. :(

[madaboutms.livejournal.com]

Have you tried Booktopia in Artarmon? You're from Oz right? They are quite resonable. I get my Torchwood novels from there and they have a great postage service fee.

[blucougar.livejournal.com]

Booktopia? I've never heard of them. They're reliable, then? I'll have to check them out. I've always liked dealing with Amazon because they've proven to be both affordable and reliable, but I'll take another option if there is one. Is there a web addy?

[madaboutms.livejournal.com]

I've ordered 5 Torchwood books and only paid one shipping fee of 6.50 even if they have to ship each book seperate as it comes in. This is the link - http://www.booktopia.com.au/

If they don't have it they will source it. the average price for a book is about $24 which is reasonable when you consider the exchange rate and postage fees from overseas. It looks as if they are in stick and only 19.76 each. I'm ordering them now.

Sandy

[gracie-musica.livejournal.com]

I use froogle and half.com a lot when amazon doesn't come through, but since you're all the way down there at the end of the world I suggest eBay Australia (http://www.ebay.com.au/) for you. Just watch the shipping rates and the seller ratings.

[madaboutms.livejournal.com]

I often use ebay, I actually got one of my Torchwood books off it. I have just found those titles at a Sydney based distributor for less than 20AUD each on pre order.

[gracie-musica.livejournal.com]

I do half.com a lot (just eBay sellers only, most of them good sellers), but Zaniahz is a good Who/Torchwood online store that I just came across recently. Good prices, good shipping rates.

[madaboutms.livejournal.com]

I've bookmarked that to have a look at. We have this little 'Pop Culture' store I found that does some cool DW and TW stuff, among other things but they can be expensive with some of the stuff. I just get what I can where and when I can. When I buy form overseas the prices are good most of the time but it's the shipping that gets my purse screaming.

[madaboutms.livejournal.com]

I signed the petition and won't be buying anything from Amazon anymore either. They are just stoopid!

As for the books, are they the latest Torchwood novels? Ig so I have to get them from my Oz supplier.

Sandy

[gracie-musica.livejournal.com]

This really pisses me off.

They're the novels that are getting put out at the end of May. I'll be using Zaniahz (http://www.zaniahz.com/) to get 'em when they come out.

[amai-kaminari.livejournal.com]

GO YOU, MEI MEI!

[gracie-musica.livejournal.com]

I swear it's shit like this that make me go, "Huh. Maybe Gonou had it right."

[annieb1955.livejournal.com]

And there I was happily thinking we'd evolved. They've lost my business too. Thanks for the headsup

[gracie-musica.livejournal.com]

And there I was happily thinking we'd evolved. Ditto.

[ran-aya.livejournal.com]

I tried the search toxoctattoo mentioned in LJ.

I nearly puked when I got the result:

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw_0_4?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=homosexuality&sprefix=homo

[rockangelxoxo.livejournal.com]

I followed your link and if I did not make a plan to stop using Amazon already, that would have done it.

[cyberdigi.livejournal.com]

*lurker popping in*
I'd heard about the parenting one (*gag*) but not everything on that list is as bad as that. I've checked several of the books "The Bible, Christianity, & Homosexuality", "Jesus, the Bible, and Homosexuality, Revised and Expanded Edition: Explode the Myths, Heal the Church" and "For The Bible Tells Me So" (this one is dvd). The last one "For the Bible told me so" seems to be a book about Christian families coming to terms to having a homosexual child. The other two appear to be books delving into the Bible to find what it really says about homosexuality and seems to come up with a decision against the popular knowledge of fundamentalist Christians (These two didn't have descriptions but that's what the comments seem to indicate)

So maybe if there is some sort of Christian reference books were safe from the derank?

[gracie-musica.livejournal.com]

Welcome lurker!

And I guess that both camps have our knee-jerks, to be honest. I know that, in my case, when I come across books with those titles, I automatically assume and pass it straight up.

I wonder if any Christian books got deranked...

[cyberdigi.livejournal.com]

My first thought when I saw the titles was suspicious as well but I thought I should just make sure (gag the comments for the parenting book are a bit disturbing)

I usually lurk for pretty much no other reason than I don't have anything important to say (I don't count "*drool* WANT MORE" and "<3" as something to break out of lurkdom to say) I found your journal via totally4ryo (anime transplant) and have to say I've been enjoying your stories.

For some strange reason I doubt that Christian books got hit, seems anything that had some sort to reference to sexual organs (if the article I found a bit ago is to be believed, it's what amazon is saying at the moment that several thousand other books were also affected) or GLBT were majorly hit.

[gracie-musica.livejournal.com]

*laughs* Lurkers are always welcome here. I tend to lurk as well, so there are no hard feelings. (and yay for anime transplant. *grins* Let me guess: FAKE?)

I doubt Christian books got hit as well, but I'm a suspicious little so-and-so like that. It sounds like -- to repeat myself -- a knee-jerk to someone saying something, to be honest.

[cyberdigi.livejournal.com]

FAKE, among many many many others (you should see my fav story folder), my first fandoms were Gundam Wing and Ronin Warriors.

Sounds like part of what lead to this is the use of using only certain key words in descriptions to identify "adult" content. Which didn't work (obviously) because a. just because that word appears in the content doesn't mean it's adult and b. books that should have been hit don't necessarily have those words in the description. Of course this is mostly assumption based on teach's observations and assuming that what amazon says happened is true.

[gracie-musica.livejournal.com]

Oh dear sweet Lord... *sigh* Thanks for the link.

[rockangelxoxo.livejournal.com]

Thank you for the link to the petition! I also read the link to teachwriteslash and it's suddenly a glitch?! Amazon was not all that anyway, it was just convenient.

I go there to listen to song previews some times and I am not even going to do that any more, Amazon is dead in my life. I'll go back to iTunes which I hate but right now, hate to a lesser degree than amazon.

[gracie-musica.livejournal.com]

Oh dear. She's going back to iTunes. Now I know you're upset.

Maybe it'll take another 30 centuries until this sort of shit stop.

[rockangelxoxo.livejournal.com]

Yes! Yes I am. Lets not rehash how iTunes and Apple in particular are money hungry sycophants who releases a "new" ipod every 6 months months with a higher price tag.

The sad thing is that is true. We take one stop forward, then take a huge step back. Vermont legalizes gay marriage, Amazon takes all homosexual books off except for ones that tell you how to "beat" the gay out.

[lirulien.livejournal.com]

Thanks for the headsup, now I'll never buy with Amazon, ever.

I live practically at the end of the world. Our University bookshop and Borders are the two best choices for me. Hopefully I'll get more convenient and cheap sources when I move to Australia.

[gracie-musica.livejournal.com]

Yeah, you're New Zealand. I shudder to think about how much shipping costs get figured in for you.

[shiny-starlight.livejournal.com]

Applaudes. Well done. I hope more people do that and they have a serious dip in their profits

[gracie-musica.livejournal.com]

First off? Icon love.

And I hope so too. That would be fantastic.

[candy--chan.livejournal.com]

If they reverse this situation and offer up a very groveling apology, I might consider shopping with them again. But I'm fairly sure that I will not be giving them another dime.

There's a local restaurant that I won't eat at because one of the owners is a city councilman who introduced a resolution to define marriage as being between a man and a woman. I wonder how badly his business dipped as a result of it.

[gracie-musica.livejournal.com]

Probably not as much as you'd think -- or hope, to be honest. There's always someone else who agrees with you. The world's too big to be honestly, completely alone, no matter how much you think you are.

[candy--chan.livejournal.com]

I know. But I'd like to think that tolerance would at least stand a chance. And don't even get me started on what one of the biggest asshats in our state legislature is trying to do to get that stupid fucking amendment passed. Because I might explode.

[gracie-musica.livejournal.com]

If that amendment passes, I say take up a collection for Lambda Legal. Because then the only way you'll be able to fight it is in the courtroom.

Of course, shovels are cheap.

[midassa-in-gold.livejournal.com]

*sigh* stupid people. There's just nothing more I can say about that, but it looks like I'll have to stop buying from them.

[gracie-musica.livejournal.com]

*agrees with the sigh*

How was the wild egg chase?

[teachwriteslash.livejournal.com]

You and Thrace have suggested I was eloquent ... Thrace's word. I'm not eloquent ... I am pissed OFF!

I'm the daughther of a Vietnam veteran who sacrificed his health because he believed in freedom and equality.

The idea that this was a "glitch" does not fly ... coding has to be created and approved. There needs to be an apology, and as I suggested when I cancelled my rather large pre-order of TW/DW and other things - a nice donation to LAMBDA would not go amiss.

[gracie-musica.livejournal.com]

Love the icon. And yes, you are eloquent, even when you're angry.

[teachwriteslash.livejournal.com]

Well thank you my dear ... Thrace said the same thing. My RL friends just call it WOT (Wrath of Teach).

I abhor censorship of any kind ... perhaps because I teach literature, perhaps because I write, or perhaps because I just do NOT like being told what to think. I have yet to find anything so abhorent it cannot be read by consenting adults. To I support safeguards to make sure children don't access things they shouldn't - hell yes!, but beyond that ...

Irony noted ... it's National Library Week.

Go read a "banned" book people!

[akisawana.livejournal.com]

I have heard that this was done by someone other than Amazon, to damage them for the lulz/chase away the customers/because it's some looney with too much time.
However, I will refrain from buying anything from Amazon until there is a clearly stated reason that this happened, and it is independently verified as an attack.

[gracie-musica.livejournal.com]

If it is a hacker, then that's different. But Amazon's accredited it to a computer glitch (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/14/technology/internet/14amazon.html?hp).

[akisawana.livejournal.com]

Huh. Thank you for keeping me updated. That's some interesting reading.
BOYCOTT CONTINUES!

[stargazer60.livejournal.com]

I did the *EXACT* same thing. Then ordered them from the book depository.

[gracie-musica.livejournal.com]

*nod nod*

[lurkerdrome.livejournal.com]

What an amazing overreaction to a completely insignificant issue. I am truly impressed.

[gracie-musica.livejournal.com]

Obviously.